Of course not. He has given the ATF carte blanche. What Is Antifa: 5 Things To Know About The Movement - Across America, US - President Trump tweeted Sunday that he's designating antifa as a "terrorist organization," but can he legally do that? As things stand now, ATF has been scraping by with a dwindling number of agents and other resources while ATF’s mission has expanded. There is the option to comment anonymously. Pistols are capable of great accuracy, and using an optic to take advantage of that is entirely reasonable. In other words, the ATF claims it does not and has not ruled that any make or model of pistol brace exempts all firearms from NFA classification. This site is about all things gun related. You like I don’t prescribe to what I wrote and yet 100’s of thousands of “We the People” do. A KaliKey BCG makes it a single shot (bolt action). So at least render a do no harm approach to us law abiding gun owners, train with your cool stuff, we’ll train and have fun with our cool stuff, and the world and America’s heartbeat is safe! This has never been implied by ATF previously, nor has it taken anything of the sort into any of its past stabilizing brace determinations. We were reminded today of the precarious and often unpredictable nature of firearms enforcement. Shopping from Court to Court to prolong the denial and fear. Pistol. Nothing would change their mind on government overreach then the ATF smashing through their door, putting a gun to their kids head, and shooting their dog. Aspect one: nowhere in the definition of “pistol” is any mention of weight or length. It is adjustable and comes with its own unique buffer tube. Gafsden, you trolls are funny in a pathetic sort of way. Is the same thing happening with this proposal? AMF is listed in the World's largest and most authoritative dictionary database of abbreviations and acronyms The Free Dictionary The 1934 NFA law that created these restrictions is antiquated, irrelevant, and proven to be unnecessary. They went into the ATF to “rule the peasants” not pick a fight with a whole street full of people who are likely to warm up the tar and open the bag of feathers after writing a letter that tells them to shove their “rule” change. Oh, and I like them as lightweight as possible within their particular envelope. OMG! (And I paraphrase) “When I was seventeen I was convinced my father was the most ignorant man on earth. 1 decade ago What does ATF stand for in football? A pistol is still a pistol if it has a handguard, which I think we understand is thusly yclept due to, you know, the expectation that it’s gripped by one’s hand in order to operate a pistol two-handed. Because an arm brace need only reach the forearm, the distance between the trigger and the back of the brace is generally expected to be shorter than the distance between the trigger and the back of a stock on a weapon designed and intended to be fired from the shoulder. Here is a look at per capita weapons data, based on the ATF's National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record, and 2013 data from the U.S. Census. Consumer fireworks can be used with a variety of tools. It’s high time we use the Leftist playbook against them…. Of course you to can earn that privilege. The comparative function of the attachment when utilized as a stabilizing brace compared to its alternate use as a shouldering device; The design of the stabilizing brace compared to known shoulder stock designs; The amount of rear contact surface area of the stabilizing brace that can be used in shouldering the weapon as compared to the surface area necessary for use as a stabilizing brace; The material used to make the attachment that indicates whether the brace is designed and intended to be pressed against the shoulder for support, or actually used on the arm; Any shared or interchangeable parts with known shoulder stocks; Any other feature of the brace that improves the weapon’s effectiveness from the shoulder-firing position without providing a corresponding benefit to the effectiveness of the stability and support provided by the brace’s use on the arm. First of all I do not “fear” nor do I hold in “awe” the power of OUR Federal Government NOR is cost a factor as their are groups of lawyers around the country ready, willing and capable to take on an overreaching Government Pro Bono… Their court shopping does not play here, my suit, my court…. I’m so glad you care not for the AR-15. You are attacking law abiding gunowners who happen to like cutting edge stuff like a guy buying the next new motorcycle or kayak, or what ever the hell he or she wants. These rules are meant to punish those who those in power don’t like. “This firearm is a pistol,” and “this accessory does not change the classification of a pistol.” Boom, done. They even destroyed a large amount of stocks, from a single company, using a chipper as they filmed it for the public to watch. Just, finished eating and I do have to get busy on this deer. All photos above are from ATF’s Instagram feed. Please look for them carefully. With all the gun control lawsuits by FPC, SAF, CRPA, et al in the hopper right now, I can only hope that Sacramento will be slapped down and freedom will be allowed again soon. Accordingly, ATF must evaluate whether a particular firearm configured with a stabilizing brace bears the objective features of a firearm designed and intended to be fired from the shoulder, and thus subject to the NFA, on a case-by-case basis. Length of Pull. On another subject, what do you think about the liberals recruiting Fox News into their voter fraud conspiracy, even Lou Dobbs is admitting there was no voting machine fraud. Except in Florida if you have a valid hunting license you can walk out the door with a long gun. Leave a comment: …ATF has decided to publish the proposed objective factors in the Federal Register for a brief comment period, given the public interest surrounding these issues. We are law abiding citizensThe ones you really should be going after the criminals. But since intent is apparently all that seems to matter to ATF, perhaps it should prosecute its agents and armorers. That right there is what the democrats are going for. Let’s keep pushing. It’s perfectly legal to fire from the hip or with one’s eyes closed or whatever-the-heck ever. Apparently ATF simply “knows it when they sees it” when it comes to brace-equipped pistols, and we’ll find out upon our arrest whether or not we’ve violated their opinion du jour. If so I have a nice 10 point hanging on the wall I killed just outside of Columbia. This is the permanent solution to ATF’s continued rogue actions to undermine the firearm industry, gun ownership, and the Second Amendment writ large. He’s hanging next to the 140 B&C 205 lb 8 pt I killed about 1000 yards away a year before. Automatic transmission fluid (ATF) is a kind of transmission fluid used in vehicles with self-shifting or automatic transmissions.It is typically coloured red or green to distinguish it from motor oil and other fluids in the vehicle.. Some push back=rifle caliber rounds, guns over a certain weight, can’t use a certain accessory too, etc. The batfags don’t give two shits what you or I have to say about arm braces. The ATF headquarters are in Washington, D.C. Read the Notices, Instructions, and Definitions on this form. I hope you’re right and wish you the best. Get out of here with your “impractical” “large caliber” noise. This is the single most horrific statement I have ever seen from a federal agency! I could see the fire ball from 50′ away. The 2014 Bundy standoff was an armed confrontation between supporters of cattle rancher Cliven Bundy and law enforcement following a 21-year legal dispute in which the United States Bureau of Land Management (BLM) obtained court orders directing Bundy to pay over $1 million in withheld grazing fees for Bundy's use of federally owned land adjacent to Bundy's ranch in southeastern Nevada. The bureau’s agents are dispersed throughout the United States. Back when Trump said he wanted to do away with bump fire stocks I said you guys will realize your fatal error when they go after your precious braces. At least, submitting a comment can truly matter. Paid for my wife’s education. What if a gun shop sells a firearm with a brace that’s “too long” for one customer but okay for another customer? They took all the arguments made by those that didn’t want them banned and retorted to every point in a manner to prevent legal challenge. Here’s how the rights of Americans have fared under a Democrat trifecta in the halls of power over the last century. The conspiracy has somehow recruited Lou Dobbs, they must have some incriminating information on him, maybe pictures of him having sex with animals, who knows? And I assure you it’s very different from what I determine is practical for my eight-year-old daughter to fire, which is different from what was practical when she was six. I copied this and submitted it as part of my comment against extending and further clouding the NFA’s silly regulations. This is a complete infringement of our constitutional right. The FD-258 fingerprint cards are used in many services other than the ATF NFA application process. Jim, I understand exactly what they’re doing and I don’t like it a bit. Trumps team hasn’t reported back, they were last seen boarding a ship named SS Minnow for a three hour tour. This guidance comes after a lot of quesitons as to when you could or could not put a vertical foregrip on an AR pistol. T/C won that case in front of the Supreme Court, by the way. In fact, one doesn’t even have to use or ever intend to use one’s firearm(s). Never saw them fire them any other way than off the shoulder. The Founders wanted to ensure that if their worst fears came to fruition and our government became so corrupt as it began removing free speech, removing the right to back it up with arms God forbid that time! I reckon the BATFE gets about enough comments off TTAG. Another option would be a demented family member. Correct me if I’m in error here. In the “Type and Caliber” quote above (above the photos of large handguns), ATF not only describes precisely the sort of firearm for which stabilizing braces make perhaps the most sense, it states as much in that very quote when it says “…even with an arm brace…”. Obama was stopped by a GOP Congress. So quit complaining about it. You might even get a woman president and a woman vice president. ATF has classified all sorts of components and accessories on their own (as it must), such as trigger cranks, binary triggers, lightning links, bump stocks, muzzle devices, forward grips, the Auto Glove, naughty rubber bands, naughty shoe strings, naughty coat hangers, solvent traps, 80% receiver kits, thread adapters, and so much more. You’ve done great work on this and your previous call to action article. Pigs, I really don’t like donuts, or coffee. How different the story is regarding Firearms. ATF3 Stands For: All acronyms (4) Airports & Locations Business & Finance Common Government & Military (2) Medicine & … Of course the NRA will be all in for the police state. A tobacco field in N FL in August qualifies as hard work. It seems that the powers that be want to make each weapon person specific, that way you turn them in a death….. Whoever made the rip doggo captions deserves a raise. Click HERE to go directly to the public comment page, and for more information and ideas for comment topics, click below: It’s Time: Make Yourself Heard RE ATF’s Latest Attack on Pistol Braces. Can we talk about something other than pistol braces and bump stocks? ATF - Bureau Of Alcohol Tobacco And Firearms US Department Of Justice ATF - Fleet Ocean Tug Fleet Support ( DELETE ) If you know of another acronym for ATF then please suggest it as a new acronym for ATF . They may help with recoil, but compound muzzle blast exponentially. Great(!) All you have to do is spend several thousand dollars to attend a LE academy and pin on a badge and strap on a duty belt. If you think it was the comments that led them to pull the plug on the green tip scenario, you are woefully naive. All out push back=Sorry biden you are going to have to change this with congress. If you were a lefty, you made it work. What I wonder is; how many of those AR, plastic pistol, video commandos shot a deer in the head at 100 yards this afternoon. First, for all of the one-handed shooting discussion and alternate shooting styles and methods already addressed. Everytown And Mom’s Demand Action Step Up Attacks on Gun Owners of America . Well done. How? If they get this one without a fight because nobody on our side felt any urgency, the leftist bastards will have the ATF chasing down something we DO own all the sooner. Likely causing the Republicans to lose midterms and keeping Joe for a second term, which he will die in office giving Kamala the title of first woman president. Yeah, good luck with that cough Americans With Disabilities Act cough Equal Protection Clause cough. Sorry, but ATF does not get to invent restrictions in the law that do not exist. In “Court” is the purpose of the Long game attack on Rights. Okay, onto the “objective factors” list now: Weight and Length. Obama’s biggest victories were strengthening IP law, increasing corporatism in medical care, bailing out corporations with tax money and renewing Republicans’ tyrannical police state policies. Determine if you're eligible to get an FFL. If the agency weren’t involved with firearms regulation, at least 90% of the people complaining about it’s activities would hardly notice it’s existence. As far as tough (that’s the correct spelling) goes my first job was in the local tobacco fields. Head shot. Revolvers, for the record, are later defined as a subset of the pistol category with a rotating, chambered cylinder. Submitting a comment to the ATF via written letter to a separate destination is a completely different thing, and would possibly trigger a flag for further review. Like what?! Playing a big part in T/C’s win was the rule of strict construction mentioned above. This tax-collecting, enforcement and regulatory arm of the U.S. Department of Justice dates back nearly 200 years in American history. We could ask DJT to do something but a month from now JRB would just reverse it. This is a measurement for rifles and shotguns used to accommodate shooters of different sizes. Even a heavy decision wiping all this away would be ignored. The question for the ATF is do they want lower themselves the level of the KKK and nazis? ATF will consider the comments it receives before finalizing this guidance. Harris will be most pleased at Cheetos’ precedents. At 16 I went to work at my uncle’s service station. Furthermore, if ATF’s assertion is that some portion of brace-equipped firearms are actually SBRs — short barreled rifles — we have even more data that show SBRs are not likely to be used for criminal purposes. I sure could have used them a couple of weeks ago when I bought a new rifle. Using the term “length of pull” is prejudicial from the outset. Like 1911s and S&W mod 19s, and M1 garands ?! Frankly, this is unacceptable. Done. It’s had some custom work done to it, including a Mag-Na-Port muzzle brake. Required fields are marked *. Just don’t post that you have anything that might be of interest to them, only post your thoughts on the matter. If we were getting article after article on lasers my sentiments would be the same. The act was passed at about the same time Donald Trump sent his investigative team to Hawaii to find Barack Obama‘s birth certificate. 13,021 comments as of noon yesterday. Non LEO citizens are exempt from that requirement. They’re not likely to issue any rulings that contradict the progressive world order anyway. This is like the dress codes in jr. and sr. high school, a teacher might send Nancy to the office because of attire, but Sally(who was a quiet church mouse in class), was wearing tighter and shorter clothes. Consequently, ATF agrees that there are legitimate uses for certain “stabilizing braces.”. [T]he NFA’s minimum size rules (and the ATF’s interpretations thereof) are an absurd anachronism. but and with very careful and very thorough review of all of the cross-controlled knee-jerk regulations that have been slamed through the agency by lawyers that have “other agendas” and weeded out and then put up for review by someone other than a bunch of control freaks .it is possible to get a viable rule that abides by the constitution AS WRITTEN. In what many gun owners will consider an act of karma for the ATF’s recent pistol brace guidance, a federal agent was tased earlier this year by two police officers in Columbus, Ohio, while he was attempting to confiscate a shotgun.The agent is seeking damages from the two officers and the city for the “physical and psychological” injuries he suffered during the incident. Criminal laws that violate this requirement are said to be void for vagueness. For instance, a pistol is still a pistol even if it has a squared-off trigger guard with serrations specifically designed to provide purchase for the shooter’s support hand. now go screw your sister you dumb redneck…. Never did I think he would be more aggressive against gun owners than Obama. “Blah blah blah blah blah Democrat’s Obama Rulez’”. Up here in the mountains we have a burning question, if you get divorced is she still your sister? Ing, I didn’t say that and you damn well know it. Deny the Right or make Citizens fear to exercise it. I’m definitely wanting to comment, but I’m a bit torn. You will get your just reward soon enough…… soon enough. Last, a bit of personal advice. That fudd is an idiot. The end goal of every gun control group is to get rid of EVERY gun. Anyone who can’t handle recoil should stick to air rifles. Did the GOP congress and senate stop Trump with his gun control? Part of what I said to my Congressman and two Senators (up for Georgia run off so who knows if they are paying any attention): “No single factor or combination of factors is necessarily dispositive, and FATD examines each weapon holistically on a case-by-case basis.”. Carry any of them into battle tommorw. Perhaps we can harness this enthusiasm toward improving NFA. maybe it just moves to the moderation mode. I can use a brace and fire with my arm bent rather than extended. And I have SBRs with paperwork. But then again, maybe you have a cunt. article, and immediately one of the top five best and most important/relevant for me from TTAG for 2020. This agency has very broad discretion on what kind of firearms Americans can possess legally and also what can be imported inside the country. In fact, ATF attempted to prosecute based on this arbitrarily invented, never-before-publicized metric and lost, in part due to the fact that the defendant had no reasonable way of knowing about this “restriction.”. There is no ignorance in my post – simply calling you out as an arrogant FUDD who is literally whining on a public forum because the articles aren’t of interest to you. Don’t blame me because it’s a shitty design. This is an intentionally misleading statement. I’m at an age where the threat of a long jail sentence or even death is no longer a deterrent to what I do or how I act. Prepare in original only at the licensed premises (“licensed premises” includes business temporarily conducted from a qualifying gun show or event in the same State in which the licensed premises is located) unless the transaction qualifies under 18 U.S.C. We know 4 definitions for ATF3 abbreviation or acronym in 2 categories. The ATF’s involvement in the Waco siege began in May 1992 with investigating a telephone call from the Sheriff about a package of firearms, inert grenade casings, and black powder that had broken open upon delivery to the religious compound by a UPS driver. I tried to comment on the pistol braces a week ago. So, yeah, I know a little bit about busting my ass. Dude… YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE BEEN SMOKING CRACK WITH THOSE GHETTO FELONS YOU LIKE TO WRESTLE WITH (weird why anyone would want to do that, but you do you)… BUT I’LL BE DAMNED IF I SIT HERE AND READ THE WHINING OF SOME EX PIG ABOUT HOW TOUGH HIS F K N JOB IS….. GO GET A REAL F K N JOB AND THEN YOU’LL KNOW WHAT IT MEANS TO ACTUALLY WORK FOR A LIVING….. GD YOU PIGS MAKE ME SICK LISTENING TO YOUR PATHETIC WHINING. The History of the ATF. Making even more felons than when they said bump fire stocks are machine guns. Convention of states can get rid of this left wing subversive agency! I went to a Led Zepplin concert once. If you put that there brace on your Gun Big Brother is going to storm your home and carry you away like the KKK and Nazi SS did to Blacks and Jews. Skilling v. United States, 130 S.Ct. As mr. T would say SHUT UP FOOL!! “Secondary Grip. There are plenty of LEO carve outs in law throughout the country. Now just who are the scoff laws. Actually, yes CA does, though few LEOs even know this. We can’t give up because “they” don’t give up. Nor does it mean the user intended for the brace to function as a stock. Then you get to experience what it is like to be a New Zealander. Thanks for the heads up and links to the appropriate information/ATF form. But, that’s just me. Twenty Busch suitcases weigh about 500 lbs. The ATF now wants the firearm to fit the person without defining the rules. Just kidding on both of these. If ATF wanted to be objective it would define a numerical minimum. Obviously Trump topped Obama on everything and did more in only 4 years. There is no requirement to post your salient whining about any topic. Collecting for the sake of collecting or hanging on one’s wall is entirely legal. How about “Don’t Tread On Me”, as per your moniker, instead of “Tread on Everyone Over There”. What pisses me off are those guys that think if it isn’t manufactured by Rubbermaid it’s not a gun. You’re kidding, right? What assault rifles? Those restrictions originated in a time when Congress thought it could effectively ban all small, concealable firearms, including handguns, and minimum size rules for rifles and shotguns would have been necessary to close an obvious loophole. Yeah, the office is empty because Trump is golfing again. Read More . $1.10 an hour BTW. Piss people off. This is tacit admission that arm braces improve the stability and control and, therefore, practicality of “large caliber” handguns. We value freedom of speech as much as we do the right to keep and bear arms. Should it comes to pass, though, here are some arguments refuting each and every one of ATF’s proposed determining factors for brace-equipped firearm classification. …the purpose of the NFA is “to regulate certain weapons likely to be used for criminal purposes,” United States v. Thompson/Center Arms Co., 504 U.S. 505, 517 (1992)…. I don’t care for stun grenades going off in my face.” This might be the one time I’d prefer a pistol caliber carbine to a “handgun.”. Does this make it now illegal? If a brace is of a length that makes it impractical to attach to the shooter’s wrist or forearm, then that may demonstrate that it is not designed as a brace but rather for shoulder fire. I think we’ll find that, rather than being “objective,” each factor is objectively subjective. It is the principal job of an America First activist to make the GOP as inhospitable an atmosphere as possible for these amoral, profit-obsessed vultures. I’d like to know so I can begin to take advantage of them. Attachment Method. With that done, let’s take a deep dive into each “objective factor” listed in ATF’s draft guidance document to see how they hold up under scrutiny. This is a fishing expedition to see if the people are going to push back. 5289, which would have done just that, was introduced in the House. While this article will not examine the controversies surrounding that incident, it does offer insight into the tasks performed by the ATF. LEO aren’t the only who sacrifice. I recognize a stock when I see one; and a brace is not a stock. If you criticize or have an adverse opinion, they find another rule in which to punish you. The ATF Agent career is similar to that of a police officer in that ATF agents obtain warrants, serve warrants, conduct raids, collecting evidence, investigating crime scenes, and testifying in trials. Obama did what he needed to do to please the Democrat voters but he didn’t push hard enough to get it done like Trump did. I am currently playing NCAA Football 08 and came across the acronymn ATF. They don’t give a crap, new boss is in town and they’re doing whatever they want. CA escapee here, so I’m sure you’re more up-to-date on the laws than I am. And in CA, AR pistols are generally illegal unless one of the three factors are mitigated (semi-auto, centerfire, detachable mag). The lower receiver is the firearm so it doesn’t matter what scope I have or how it set up. Like real firearms. With at least six million of them in private hands, there has been one (1) known criminal act committed with such a firearm over the last eight or more years. This measurement is not necessarily determinative of the intent of the manufacturer but is used in making an evaluation of the firearm. Every day you wake up you’re a day closer to death. I just want to thank you for the thorough fact checking. The GOP acronym stands for Grand Old Party and is used as a nickname for the Republican Party, even though the Democratic Party has been around longer. Bump stocks and pistol braces are accessories. Type and Caliber. By requiring fair notice of what is punishable and what is not, vagueness doctrine also helps prevent arbitrary enforcement of the laws. Bull. PIC, which stood for Perpetually Irate Citizen re my criticisms of the agency. If a football player does not have a strong position specialty or can play a wide range of positions, he is listed as ATH. These items extend the distance between the trigger and the part of the weapon that contacts the shooter, whether it is a stock or a stabilizing brace. I agree that you listed the ways to avoid falling afoul of the AW ban, but doesn’t a pistol that isn’t on The Roster violate that law? Secret to it man on earth how much he had learned in eight years. ” Geoff, I know couple. 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